{"id":315,"date":"2014-04-04T16:51:50","date_gmt":"2014-04-04T21:51:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/new.woodape.org\/index.php\/2014\/04\/04\/learnfromwoodapedna\/"},"modified":"2021-02-20T10:31:57","modified_gmt":"2021-02-20T16:31:57","slug":"learnfromwoodapedna","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.woodape.org\/index.php\/learnfromwoodapedna\/","title":{"rendered":"What Can We Expect to Learn from Wood Ape DNA?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"last-updated\">Last updated on February 20th, 2021 at 10:31 am<\/p><div class=\"writeboardbody\">\n<p>[The following article originally appeared at the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.texascryptidhunter.blogspot.com\/2013\/11\/what-can-we-expect-to-learn-from-wood.html\">Texas Cryptid Hunter&#8217;s Blogsite<\/a>; it has been slightly modified for the North American Wood Ape Conservancy website and it is used here with the express consent of Michael C. Mayes]. <\/p>\n<p> With the cryptozoological community all aflutter over the  Bryan Sykes DNA study, I thought now would be a good time to discuss  what exactly it is we might expect should viable wood ape DNA ever be  successfully obtained. I can\u2019t take credit for the question. Fellow  NAWAC investigator Ed Harrison posed the question on the NAWAC&#8217;s private online forum. Some of the specific questions raised by Harrison were: Will we be  able to determine the origins of the wood ape species (geographically)?  From which branch of the primate tree did the species spring? How big do  they really get? Many other questions were raised and discussed as well  but you get the idea.<\/p>\n<p>What we do know is that simply observing\/documenting DNA similarities  between species says little, or may say very little, about  morphological and\/or behavioral similarities. A good example of this is  the comparison of human and chimp DNA, which shows great overlap.<\/p>\n<p>For example, let\u2019s assume that wood ape DNA is 99 percent comparable to that  of a modern human. That, in and of itself, wouldn\u2019t mean they are  \u201chuman\u201d as we understand the concept. Significant differences could  result from factors controlling the expression of genes. The sequence in  which genes are activated during development, the duration in which the  genes are active, epigenetic factors controlling which genes may be  turned off, these factors could produce creatures that are very  different from \u201cus\u201d even if the DNA is nearly identical.<\/p>\n<p>Another NAWAC member with great expertise in this area is Brad  McAndrews. Brad holds an ABHI certificate from the American Board of  Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics and is a Certified  Histocompatibility Specialist (also known as a Clinical  Histocompatibility Scientist in some states). Brad received his  undergraduate degree from the University of Texas at Austin (B.S. in  Biology with concentration in Genetics and Biotechnology) and followed  that with five years of intensive training at a clinical laboratory of  the University of Texas Health and Science Center in Houston, Texas. All  of that to say, Brad knows what he is talking about when it comes to  genetics. Following is a summary of Brad\u2019s thoughts to the questions  posed above (with some input from Alton Higgins, a wildlife biologist, a retired biology professor, and Chairman of the NAWAC):<\/p>\n<p><b><br \/> What can we expect to find in the DNA?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>McAndrews: \u201cThe study of the wood ape genome will be multifaceted in that  several scientists and organizations of varying expertise will study  their genes of interest. It will take years to draw lines of correlation  between parallel species but science will begin to produce results, the  wood ape blueprint, in only days. We will learn about their growth  curves, metabolic characteristics, endocrine pathways, and we\u2019ll be able  to make discoveries from other genetic linkages already being studied  in the higher primates. The endocrine system drives the growth and  development cycle from the fetal stage through adolescence (and even  adulthood). We\u2019ll learn a great deal from studying the endocrine system  (which includes hormones, etc) including various physical attributes  including relative musculature, to things like emotional states, sleep  patterns, and details of the reproductive system. We\u2019ll learn about its  dietary capabilities and\/or restrictions by studying certain metabolic  factors.<\/p>\n<p>We will learn details on their ability to learn, hearing, sight, the  ability to vocally enunciate (both vowels and consonants) \u2013 the FOXP2  gene. We\u2019ll learn some interesting things about how they learn, and  where their strongest cognitive and\/or involuntary cerebral strengths  lay. One of the biggest, and most complicated, targets of the wood ape  genome will focus on facets of the immune system. Studies of the major  histocompatibility complex (MHC) and human leukocyte antigen (HLA)  repertoire will teach us a lot about disease susceptibilities and as  well as possible new constructs (i.e. mutations) that may help the wood  ape fight certain diseases \u2013 like Lyme or RMSF. HLA is my particular  field of study. No doubt, the discovery of the wood ape will lead to new  treatments for mankind. I foresee a day when cells from the wood ape  are cloned and distributed (for profit) for study all across the globe.  New drugs and therapies will emerge after studying certain aspects of  the wood ape immunopathology and it constructs.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ll also learn many other things that are not specifically related  to the wood ape\u2019s nuclear or mitochondrial genome. Various microbiotomes  will be discovered in the animal\u2019s gut flora and new bacterial  species\/populations may be found on the epidermis (skin) or mouth  cavity. We could learn a lot simply by swabbing the cheek of an ape\u2026. We  might learn what types of foods they eat even if their entire digestive  tract is empty. We can learn about how they metabolize certain foods  and compounds.\u201d<\/p>\n<p> <b>Is the wood ape a descendent of <i>Gigantopithecus blackii<\/i>? What is the evolutionary lineage?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>McAndrews: \u201cThis question will be answered very quickly by sequencing the <  20,000 base pairs of DNA from the mitochondrial genome and comparing  that to what data is available for <i>G. blackii<\/i>. This is easy science.  Compare this to all the highly mutagenic interesting stuff found in the  more than 3 billion base pairs of the nuclear genome!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p> <b>What can we expect to find within a non-contaminated sample of tissue\/blood that has been scientifically proven to be valid?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>McAndrews: \u201cWe\u2019ll discover a great many things (as we touched on above). The  difficult part of this is that in the scenario where we\u2019ve only a small  amount of blood\/tissue, proving the existence of this creature as a  valid species has limitations. The specimen itself, in this case, is a  limiting factor, which could prevent full independent and reproducible  study. Basically, science demands that third-party laboratories  reproduce the same data set to support the initial find thus creating a  &#8216;theory.&#8217; Ideally, this would include the initial steps of DNA  isolation\/extraction from the specimen in question. In the case with our  Echo samples, we\u2019ve only two very small and degraded residues\u2026 That\u2019s  huge limitation for us.\u201d<\/p>\n<p> <b>Will we find the origins of wood apes (geography)?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>McAndrews: \u201cInformation on evolutionary history and genetic lineage\/origins may  be pulled from the mitochondrial genome of a given species. Even without  the full mitochondrial genome, much of this information is attainable  by analyzing comparative evolution of the mitochondrial cytochrome b  gene \u2013 a humble 1,200 base pairs of information. Determining geographic  origin, however, would require an existing known ancestral &#8216;anchor&#8217;  species in a given geography. When comparisons between two closely  related species are being made, this information becomes less reliable  because of limitations in sample (that being the gene targeted for  sequencing) size. In these cases, additional sequence targets are  valuable. Basically, the targeted gene of study may be too highly  conserved between the two species. There are only 33 mutations between  human and chimp, a mere two percent variation. What might we expect with  the wood ape? The comparisons are so alike that it brings into question  human contamination\u2026 A more likely conclusion to an odd result that  \u2018looks human.\u2019 (Scally, et al, 2012).&#8221;<\/p>\n<p> <b>How far back does the gene pool go (timeline)?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>McAndrews: \u201cA gene pool is actually a collection of all heredities that  currently exist in a given and accessible (in regards to breeding)  population. That is, how variable (i.e. stable) is the gene pool of the  wood ape population? I think what you\u2019re trying to ask is &#8216;how far back  did this animal branch out from the tree of life?&#8217; The answer to this  question would be one of the first addressed via the sequencing of the  mitochondrial (maternally inherited) genome. Thankfully it would be the  easiest of all to answer in terms of testing and it would provide  answers to those questions related to its evolution history and origins.  This is what I am most curious about personally. I think this is true  for many. This is also where Bryan Sykes holds his expertise. A simple  science in today\u2019s world, (BBC Horizon, 2005).\u201d<\/p>\n<p> <b>From which branch of the primate tree did the species spring?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>McAndrews: \u201cThis will quickly be answered by producing a mitochondrial sequence  of the organism. Less than one week of time to produce this data set and  a couple-few minutes to run a comparison on GeneBank.\u201d<\/p>\n<p> <b>How tall [do] these animals really get (physical attributes), etc.?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Alton Higgins: \u201cSimply observing\/documenting DNA similarities between species says  little, or may say very little, about morphological and\/or behavioral  similarities. A good example of this is the comparison of human and  chimp DNA, which shows great overlap,&#8221; (A. Higgins, personal communication, October 15, 2013).<\/p>\n<p>McAndrews: &#8220;While this may certainly be true in a broader context, much of the  data derived from genome-wide association studies of similar but  different species provide a veritable treasure trove of information that  holds value in describing both physical and behavioral phenotypes for a  given species. <\/p>\n<p> Take a look at the following article [originally appearing at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nature.com\/nature\/index.html\">Nature.com<\/a>], for instance,  where it says, \u2018As expected, most of the human genome was closer to the  chimp\u2019s than to the gorilla\u2019s. But in about 15 percent of the genome,  human and gorilla resemble each other the most. In another 15 percent,  chimp and gorilla DNA are closer to each other than chimp is to human.  The analysis also found gene variants in gorillas that are harmless to  them but are linked to dementia and heart failure in people. \u2026If we  could understand more about why those variants are so harmful in humans  but not in gorillas, that would have important medical implications,'&#8221; (Chang, 2012, AP).<\/p>\n<p>Alton Higgins: &#8220;Significant differences could result from factors controlling the  expression of genes. The sequence in which genes are activated during  development, the duration in which the genes are active, epigenetic  factors controlling which genes may be turned off, these factors could  produce creatures that are very different from \u2018us\u2019 even if the DNA is  nearly identical,&#8221; (A. Higgins, personal communication, October 15, 2013).<\/p>\n<p>McAndrews: &#8220;Absolutely spot on here.\u00a0 This is where the revolution in medical  genetics (ever heard of this?) will make its biggest strides. Epigenetic  gene expressions are influenced by a number of different \u2018micro  factors\u2019 which may be stimulated by environmental factors and\/or  stressors. These changes in expression can be either minute or  significant. Some changes due to environmental change show themselves  phenotypically, while others do not. Many are expressed temporarily,  some longer, some for a lifetime, and some are heritable through  successive generations (given the continued presence of external  pressures). Epigenetic factors, however, are functional in ways that do  not cause mutation, or change, to the nucleotide sequence of the  organism\u2019s DNA but rather they cause the DNA to be \u2018read\u2019 in different  ways. This results in coding for different proteins, turning off certain  active genes, or by turning on certain dormant ones. Some mechanisms  actually modify DNA locally let\u2019s say, for instance, in the  epidermis\/skin by adding methyl groups to DNA or RNA, or by binding  protein to genetic receptors to inactivate a certain from being  expressed. This influences the underlying DNA in a way that it is  transcribed (or \u2018read\u2019) differently than it was before. You know how  some mammals grow thicker coats of fur in the winter and then lose it in  the spring? That\u2019s a perfect example of how these factors can influence  a change in expression as a product of seasonal changes in temperature  (the environmental catalyst). Another fantastic example of epigenetic  expression can be seen when a domesticated hog goes feral. Genetic  expressions may change very quickly due to environmental stressors, or  change. It does not take long before offspring start to resemble feral  hogs (the Wild type organism) again with their stunted snouts becoming  elongated; hair becoming longer and increasingly coarse, their tusks  even grow at faster rates. The domestic pig that gets loose will even  begin to show\/express \u2018feral\u2019 characteristics with longer\/thicker hair,  increased virility, and quick change in behavior. This is due to  something called \u2018phenotypic plasticity,\u2019 which is a mechanism that  involves a lot of epigenetic factors, caused by environmental alteration  or habitat, and which results in changes in genetic expressions \u2013 both  in phenotype (physical change) and even behavior. The immune system is  also greatly influenced by these factors (Louchart &#038; Viriot, 2011), (Ralston &#038; Shaw, 2008) .<\/p>\n<p>Anyhow, bottom line is this\u2026 just because an organism\u2019s DNA looks  similar to another\u2019s from a bird\u2019s-eye view perspective, does not mean  that the two organisms are one in the same, or even close to being  similar to one another physically, mentally, etc. There is A LOT of  stuff going on that goes much deeper than the mere DNA blueprint and  we\u2019re just beginning to make sense of it all. We do have a long way to  go, sure, but huge strides are being made in the way of knowledge. I can  say the following with great confidence, without the detailed genetic  comparisons of closely related species, none of these gains in knowledge  would be possible.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p> Whether the Sykes study yields wood ape DNA remains to be seen. I do  think Brad has given us a very good idea of what to expect if and when  Sykes, or anyone else, does come up with a viable genetic sample.<\/p>\n<p>One other question sprang to mind when Sykes examined alleged yeti  hair and identified it as belonging to a supposedly long extinct species  of bear:<\/p>\n<p>Will mainstream science recognize the existence of a large mammalian  species thought to be long extinct based solely on DNA evidence?<\/p>\n<p>IF the scientific community accepts Sykes\u2019 results and officially  recognizes this ancient bear as a living, breathing species that still  walks the earth then the \u201cno-kill\u201d crowd may finally have a valid  argument as to why a wood ape specimen should not be collected. If,  however, the scientific community refuses to recognize the existence of  this ancient bear, a species that they KNOW actually did exist at one  point, then there is zero chance that wood ape DNA alone will suffice in  documenting the species. If the existence of this ancient bear remains  unrecognized after intense DNA study then it should become crystal clear  to everyone that the only way to prove the existence of the sasquatch,  or wood ape, is by the taking of a holotype. There would simply be no  other way.<\/p>\n<p> [As of the date of the publishing of this article on the NAWAC website, April 4, 2014, it should be noted that neither governmental nor scientific entities have initiated actions in and\/or around the Himalayas  declaring Sykes&#8217;s so-called relict polar bear a unique, extant (or extinct) species, protecting it  from harm, conserving its environment, or even putting boots on the  ground to learn more about it].<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"> References<\/p>\n<p>BBC Horizon (Producer). (2005). <i>The ghost in your genes<\/i>, (parts 1-5).  (Available here: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=toRIkRa1fYU\">http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=toRIkRa1fYU<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>Chang, A. (2012). Genome study finds some gorilla DNA aping our own. <i>Associated Press<\/i>. Retrieved from  <a href=\"http:\/\/news.yahoo.com\/genome-study-finds-gorilla-dna-aping-own-183311808.html\">http:\/\/news.yahoo.com\/genome-study-finds-gorilla-dna-aping-own-183311808.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Louchart, A., &#038; Viriot, L. (2011). From snout to beak: the loss  of teeth in birds. <i>Trends in Ecology &#038; Evolution 26<\/i>(12), 663-673.  Abstract retrieved from  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.researchgate.net\/publication\/51705217_From_snout_to_beak_the_loss_of_teeth_in_birds\/file\/72e7e5257bb12cd6c6.pdf\">http:\/\/www.researchgate.net\/publication\/51705217_From_snout_to_beak_the_loss_of_teeth_in_birds\/file\/72e7e5257bb12cd6c6.pdf<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Ralston, A., &#038; Shaw, K. (2008). Gene expression regulates cell  differentiation. <i>Nature Education 1<\/i>(1), 127. Retrieved from  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nature.com\/scitable\/topicpage\/gene-expression-regulates-cell-differentiation-931\">http:\/\/www.nature.com\/scitable\/topicpage\/gene-expression-regulates-cell-differentiation-931<\/a><\/p>\n<p> Scally A., Dutheil J. Y., Hillier L. W., et al. (2012). Insights into  hominid evolution from the gorilla genome sequence. <i>Nature 483<\/i>(7388):  169\u201375. Retrieved from  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pmc\/articles\/PMC3303130\/\">http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pmc\/articles\/PMC3303130\/<\/a><br \/> \u00a0<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Last updated on February 20th, 2021 at 10:31 am [The following article originally appeared at the Texas Cryptid Hunter&#8217;s Blogsite; it has been slightly modified for the North American Wood Ape Conservancy website and it is used here with the express consent of Michael C. Mayes]. 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